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Is The Alliance Destroying The CPC?
I'm at least a foot deep in paperwork, and I'm also dealing with the legal settlement-that-I-thought-was-a-settlement but now might not be (for those of you wondering and asking about what's happening with that). So, instead, I offer you this poll. Vote now, vote often!
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This is my very favourite blog entry to date!!
ABSOLUTELY,
AH YES ....
the remnants of the "OLE Alliance Party"
skulking around the constituencies
preaching that we are all
"bound for hell" at every opportunity.
They really need an attitude adjustment.
The last thing I want to hear from my MP is
WELL, they supported me during the Alliance Days and did SUCH a great job, so I feel very uncomfortable, challenging them at this point when they start PONTIFICATING and PREACHING during meetings.
Know why I would do a better job, because I would WELCOME members, not frisk them at the door for old Alliance membership cards!
"OH, no Alliance card, sit to the right with the "grooms family and put your, invisible hat on now".
This "puppy dog, teary-eyed, weak-kneed" stance is just DISGUSTING!!
Posted by: Jasper | May 30, 2005 11:25:19 AM
This poll reeks.
Posted by: MikeP | May 30, 2005 6:14:10 PM
Ah yes the ole Alliance party. you know darrel stinson, ole Stock Day and others of that ilk. yup I member the days ole Stock was here in government in Alberty and know what. We aint got no more them gays, no more abortions and yup, ever body in Alberta is now born agin.
Now move ahead oh five, ten years later and them buggers are now trying to do the same thing within the conservative party of Canada.
So lets have a poll. Are the alliance destroying the CPC??
Yes send the extremist bastards back to where they belong. or,
No The old Alliance leader thought he was God so I pray to him.
No we shall overcome and over time root these bastards from the party.
No I am an eternal optimist.They will die off. might be happenin aready.
Now this here poll is is not intended to play up to steretypes or to say that the tories have a hidden agenda. Nudge, Nudge, Wink, Wink.
Posted by: MikeP | May 30, 2005 7:36:18 PM
Why bother putting up a fair and unbiased poll? That wouldn't generate much conversation, now, would it? Besides, those "stereotypes" aren't that far from the truth, are they....
Posted by: tz | May 31, 2005 12:04:32 AM
Those stereotypes were created by Liberals and Liberal press to ensure their own election victories. The sheep down east fell for it hook line and sinker and its been perpetuated by like minded folks since. No one in Canada knew or cared what Stock Days religion was until he went federal.
I look forward to the next poll:
Should gays be quarantined to halt the spread of Aids??
Should only dark skinned people go through security checks at airports??
Should the Red Cross be found guilty in the Blood Supply scandal or the gays who knowingly tainted it??
The politically correct dont get hammered in this country only the easy targets. Like this week the country is on about conservatives allowing born again christians to be nominated in 8 ridings across Canada. Imagine the nerve of Sephen to allow Christians a place in politics.
Yessiree you gotta just love this country.
Posted by: MikeP | May 31, 2005 7:48:42 AM
Whoa, whoa, whoa, there Mikey. First of all, the Alliance is a political party, and some of them appear, or at least behave, like religious zealots. It's up to them if they do, but I don't want to vote for religious zealotry in Canadian politics.
Second, the suggestions you're making about other identified groups, including Black people and Gay people, are over the line -- not even remotely humorous. Third, HIV is not a "gay disease," so making that suggestion is really not okay. Heterosexual people contract and transmit AIDS also, via sexual relations and other methods such as needle sharing.
There is a difference between a political stereotype and a racial/sexual slur, don't you think? If you're concerned that I identified religion as a cornerstone of the Alliance party, you should remember that I'm not opposed to religion, just to pushing your specific brand of faith onto others via federal, provincial, or municipal legislation.
Posted by: tz | May 31, 2005 8:12:58 AM
Right tz you made my point exactly. Its ok for you to push stereotype that the Alliance was pusing religion on people which wasnt true, but when I mention other stereotypes all of a sudden it aint funny any more. Who introduced HIV to this country and who more than anyone else in this country have been infected with it?? In fact my sterotype is more true than yours. But then you would never acknowledge that now would you??
Posted by: MikeP | May 31, 2005 8:40:55 AM
Obviously, you have not been in attendence at some constituency meetings.
It doesn't matter the party sometimes, there is ALWAYS someone who is just NUTS in one direction or another!!
I am for moderation.....
But to be fair Dr. T
GO'WAN put up a Liberal/NDP sterotypical poll for the people whose old membership cards are burning a hole in their back pockets, will you??
Let them vote too!
Posted by: The Invisible Hat Speaks | May 31, 2005 12:13:02 PM
I'm not going to glorify this conversation, but The Invisible Hat is correct that at every type of organization, there is a lot of dissent in both directions. Although you might not, Mike, be an Alliance member that is very religious, it would be difficult for you to deny party roots in certain of those perspectives, wouldn't it? Anyway, regarding HIV, yes, you are quite wrong. Many theories abound regarding the origins of HIV, none of them, as far as I know, proven yet, and they range from interspecies transfer, medical error, rapid mutation, and other theories. Lifestyle factors obviously play a role in terms of risk and healthy living overall in terms of HIV vs. AIDS now that the virus has been detected. So, no, your theory regarding the origins of the virus wouldn't hold. I say all this in the most basic of terms only because I am not a medical research; however, I do have a lot of political experience and witnessed the development of both the Reform and Alliance parties.
I don't think your analogy holds, and I would appreciate you not making comments that violate people's human rights on this blog. If you feel the Alliance party has no connection to organized religion, stick to that line of discussion and discuss that.
Posted by: tz | May 31, 2005 3:53:07 PM
*Telling myself: You stay out from this...*
Interesting to see/read other opinions.
Posted by: Tawcan | May 31, 2005 4:58:24 PM
Be happy TZ, this will be my last comment ever on your blog. If someone here should look in the mirror I suggest it be you. Your poll is pure bigotry but like most people on the left its all right when you do it but when someone counters your argument it ceases to be funny. Its a sad little world you lot live in and you are welcome to it.
Posted by: MikeP | May 31, 2005 5:38:46 PM
Wow.. at one time I considered you one of the far right but now MikeP has confirmed you as a bigot on the left. ;-) I guess that must mean you're somewhere in the middle.
Posted by: Todd | May 31, 2005 7:28:16 PM
HEY man are you aware that she is right and not LEFT??
Better update yourself buddy and read her entire blog.
I don't you think you have ANY idea WHAT she is TRYING to POINT OUT do you??
You MUST be the FRISKER at the door at our Conservative Constituency meetings.
The guy handing out Invisible Hats ... RIGHT??
Posted by: Jasper | May 31, 2005 7:30:53 PM
Oh TODD we almost collided in the blog here!
*L*
Posted by: Jasper | May 31, 2005 7:32:04 PM
TZ a bogot on the left? I don't think so. I on the other hand, happen to be one of those sheep, lefties or whatever other name you happen to throw this way. I have to be perfectly honest with you, it's attitudes like yours that keep me on this side of the fence. I can read many a 'right' blog or article and take in what they have to say because of the way they say it. The name calling and labelling are a HUGE turn off, in fact it's that attitudes like that, that makes me proud to be a sheep in the east!
Tawcan, you are strong! LOL
Posted by: Kim | May 31, 2005 8:30:03 PM
Well to be perfectly honest with you it is attitudes like yours, that turns me off.
Keeping the Liberals in power year after year and obviously approving of their spend spend spend, align with the NDP policies.
But you know what really turns me off?
355 million missing tax dollars.
IT appears that the only people down east worried about this, are the people in Quebec, everyone else is strangely silent?
So left or right, shouldn't we all sit on the fence together and ask
SHOW US THE MONEY!
Posted by: Jasper | Jun 1, 2005 12:35:41 AM
We aren't stupid people, we know all about the spending and the missing money. However, there are people that feel there isn't an alternative. Many feel they'd be losing a lot more than money if they voted the other way.
Posted by: Kim | Jun 1, 2005 3:47:47 AM
"Racist, sexist, anti-gay! Born again bigots, go away!"
My God, I used to chant that during my leftist days back in the 80s. If this blogger is a conservative, you could have fooled me. Like so many so-called Canadian conservatives, Heart of Canada (gag!) has drunk the Trudeaupian, multi-culti Kool Aid of politically correct identity politics.
You know, there was a study making its way across the blogosphere this week, about how the inability to discern sarcasm (like Mike P's post) is a sign of stupidity. With conservatives like you, we don't need Liberals. Please, join the other side, H of C. You're making me cringe.
Posted by: Kathy Shaidle | Jun 1, 2005 8:21:51 AM
I don't think I'm name-calling, and I don't think it's bigotry to say that the Alliance had a religiouly based agenda. In fact, it might just be the truth. If you think that makes me a *lefty* all I can say is *shrug*. I'm right of center, but the religious tenor of many Alliance members turns me off. When you sit in a policy meeting and the majority of the people want to talk about God and what the Bible says, you kind of get the point.
I believe in separation of church and state, even though I am a strong Christian. I'm not prepared to legislate my religious beliefs on anyone. So, yes, I stand by what I say, that the religious overtones -- or should I say -- overt-tones of the former Alliance are detracting from the ability of the CPC to truly unify and be strong. Sorry if you don't like that and don't want to comment anymore. That's entirely your own choice.
Nice to see you back Kim.
Posted by: tz | Jun 1, 2005 8:22:19 AM
Lets talk about the missing 350 Million tax dollars and the people who allowed that to happen and why the people in the east continue to keep them in power year after year.
I am appalled at the GREAT SILENCE from the EAST. I would like more NOISE from the EAST instead of silence, which to me might signal approval.
that is what I want to know ladies and gentlemen ...
Show me the money..
Let's not get distracted with the extreme right and left of this country, lets work together to make the country work down the middle and take it away from those who treat the our tax money as their own private entertainment fund.
Posted by: Jasper | Jun 1, 2005 11:03:53 AM
I must agree with MikeP. You have sunk to the level of the Dark Side with this Unfair poll. We are trying to educate the public about the shameful way the Liberals label the conservatives in order to win power. You have done the same thing to further your personal gripe. Substitute the word Christian with Muslin, Hindu, Jew. All citizens have a right to participate in our democracy. No one should be silenced because you fear what they may say. I too will delete this blog from my roll. Shameful.
Posted by: Bazoo | Jun 2, 2005 10:14:52 PM
I don't think YOU HAVE THE faintest IDEA what this blog entry is about.
THE DARK SIDE??
OH for Pete's SAKE
Take some time now, READ the entire blog carefully.
The fact of the matter is, some people ARE being discriminated against because of their religious beliefs or their NON religious beliefs at political meetings.
Political meetings are NOT the venue to discuss these matters.
When I want to talk about the 355 million missing tax dollars, it is necessary that I be a member of a certain religious community??
NO, but apparently this happen, REALLY.
THIS is what this poll is about,
THE SHAME that some former members of former obvious arrogance and superior attitudes towards those of us who would like to be MID LINE and not talk about what religious community we belong to. I leave my worship at home and attend to it privately without FOISTING it on other members of my BOARD.
COMPRENDE??
SHAME SHAME ON YOU
for being a BAD READER
AH another frisker at the door!!
Posted by: Jasper | Jun 3, 2005 12:03:17 PM
The CPC will never be able to improve its image without considering what that image really is. Perhaps nobody in the CPC wants to look at the possibility that the appearance of religious agendas might actually prevent the party from having a big-tent image. Personally, I think the "big-tent" should be able to include all kinds of people, no matter their religion, but that still doesn't mean that the CPC, itself, should have a religious agenda. Like it or lump it, the party still seems to have one, hence my somewhat tongue-in-cheek poll, but only somewhat.
Kathy, do you really think this is about "born again" Christians? I wasn't thinking that, but perhaps you are. It's probably unfair to dump the entire failing image of the CPC on that particular religious group, don't you think? After all, there are a lot of religious groups that don't support SSM. Besides, not supporting SSM isn't quite the same has having a religious agenda in a Party, which covers many more issues than just SSM.
By the way, Bazoo, you can't say I'm anti-Christian. I am a Christian -- quite an orthodox one, I might add. In fact, I never even had a "relapse" as a Catholic, such as Kathy apparently has, because I've always been one. I feel the same way about SSM as I feel about Sunday shopping: if you don't believe in shopping on Sundays, don't do it, and explain to your children why you don't believe in that; however, not believing in it doesn't give you the right to stop others from doing it. I believe people should have freedom to choose what they believe, whether or not I believe their choice is correct or even sinful, or whether or not the name of their blog makes me want to hurl.
Posted by: tz | Jun 4, 2005 12:06:20 AM
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