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If You've Decided To Use The F Word
Chances are, if you have something nasty to say, I have not only heard it before, but have heard it several times. Thus, if you intend to hurt my feelings, please be creative.Let me help you get started. Here is A Helpful Guide to Words and Phrases That Do Not Hurt: feminazi, socialist, Marxist, ugly, dyke, man-hater, man-eater, misandrist, frigid, sexist, bitch, slut, whore, etc. in all their various incarnations and related terminology. I will be more insulted if you badmouth one of my favorite bands than if you revert to name-calling. Really....
I am not interested in meeting feminist standards of card-carrying feminism. If you read feminist literature, it is likely you have run across the term “feminism(s)” or read that “there are as many feminisms as there are feminists.”
The quotation is an excerpt from a recent diatribe over at feministe. I kind of laughed when I read this part of her post, but it was the kind of laugh that springs from recognition, the kind that can be translated into a small nod of the head or a "yeah."
I've never embraced the word "feminist" to describe my view of the world, and I doubt I'd be mistaken for a Marxist. On the other hand, if I so much as open my mouth in the direction of expressing thoughts about women's status in society, protrayal in the media, or use in marketing, some readers will immediately reply with the F word -- feminist -- in retort to what I have said. Some of those readers are women.
Citing the ever encroaching authority of "the nanny state," these readers seem to want society to put no limits on marketers, and if you object to degrading posts on blogs about women, you will be sure to stir the dregs of hostility into a full-out blogwar. I don't usually advocate writing laws that restrict what marketers can do. Instead, I expect people to vote with their feet and not support organizations (or bloggers) who reap benefits from exploiting others. There are plenty of fine companies and bloggers out there who don't.
In day-to-day life, the situation is usually much different. People aren't so willing to jump out and pin a big F to your chest, but they show their biases in other ways. For example, I have seen men and women alike overtly discount the concerns of women by just denying that they hold any validity or credibility. When I've brought up concerns, myself, I've had men reply "No, that's not true," even to the mostly strikingly obvious of situations. On the other hand, I've also seen men override each other's rights and feelings and have found myself sticking up, at times, for them as well. Accordingly, I find myself feeling simultaneously alienated from and identifying with the word feminist.
Therefore, I've come to a decision: henceforth, I shall refer to myself as an androgynist, equally concerned with the rights of women and men, as well as the exploitation of adults and children, particularly in the media. What does this mean? Nothing, actually, because it's not like I'm going to be actively crusading for or against anything in particular. On the other hand, it will give me a link to point to the next time someone knee-jerkishly replies to one of my posts by using the "F" word simply because they couldn't think of something less hostile and more interesting so say.
If the same readers decide to use the A word, now, instead of the F word, at least we'll be on equal footing, as I know an, admittedly shorter, A word that would nicely apply to people who engage in dialogue like that. In the words of feministe, "If you address me with sarcasm, I likely will address you with the same. One cannot expect a thoughtful and intelligent answer to an unthoughtful comment." If I've directed you to this link because of something you said in my comments section, consider yourself corrected.
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You forgot to add fat, old, and cow. I get variations on those all the time in my email which really makes gets the big yawn happen.
Posted by: Kateland | Mar 13, 2005 7:50:45 PM
I once got banned from a popular blog for posting *yawn* in response to girlie pics the blogger kept posting. Teehee.
Posted by: tz | Mar 13, 2005 9:06:13 PM
Hey hold the fort ladies!
I got my wrists slapped for using the words
PARDNER
Buddy
Y'all
KISS
and for
ringing a Ding Dong Bell
for gosh darn sakes!!
never MIND the F word
it's a tough world out there
Posted by: Jasper | Mar 14, 2005 1:16:42 AM
See, now I take the word "feminist" as the literal dictionary definition - meaning someone who wants equal rights for women under the law. In other words, that women should have equal rights with men.
So I've never really understood how it could be turned into a dirty word, or something anybody would be embarrassed about being.
To me, it's the SAME as "androgynist"... Though that kind of makes it sound like you don't want to be feminine, which I wouldn't want to embrace that exactly either. Though somehow "feminist" has been turned into that, oddly enough. I laugh at that all the time.
Anyway, today I posted something about blog wars and opinions, personal responsibility, and 'voting with your feet' (in the social sense at least).
I hate the term "nanny state". It seems like everyone has a different view of what that is. For example, they might think corporate oversight is "nanny-ish", but not the government poking their nose into bedrooms.
Surely there must be some middle ground between complete government control of citizens ... and the other extreme - anarchy.
"I have seen men and women alike overtly discount the concerns of women by just denying that they hold any validity or credibility."
I think that's called VERBAL ABUSE. They may as well call you a name if they're going to do that, because it's just as rude & foolish.
At any rate, if you react with sarcasm to sarcasm... Hmmm... Well, I try not to anymore...
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you." -- Nietzsche
"It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them." -- Alfred Adler
"Don't wallow in the mud with pigs, you'll get dirty and the pigs will like it." -- Lorrie Ardoin
hehe.
Posted by: Chloe | Mar 14, 2005 2:19:41 PM
Good points, all around. About not responding with sarcasm, generally I agree but reserve the right on my blog, at least, to dish it back out if I want to. I agree with Chloe regarding your point about "verbal abuse." However, while I agree that the word "feminist" denotatively means "equal rights for women," unfortunately it's used so many different ways -- including derogatorily -- that alternative denotations and connotations nearly always take over.
However, your point about androgynist losing the "feminine" is a good one. I wonder if it makes sense to say I'm a feminine androgynist ; )
Posted by: tz | Mar 14, 2005 3:45:10 PM
You have the right to say anything you like on your blog. It's your blog, after all. But that doesn't mean there won't be consequences. ;)
And the only people who give "feminist" negative connotations that I've seen, are the sexists who are against the concerns of women. So I consider the source...
Some anti-semetic people say "Jew" with a negative connotation, but Jews haven't abandoned the word, thank goodness! :)
Of course the swastika didn't start out as having a bad connotation. Personally, I think it's something akin to blasphemy that the Nazis overtook that symbol.
Same thing with "Negro"... All it means, I think, is "black", doesn't it?
Posted by: Chloe | Mar 15, 2005 1:15:00 PM
While I see your point, Chloe, we also can't ignore the pragmatic use of language. Unfortunately, words take on meanings much larger than their etymology or their first intended use. When we're talking about words that label particular groups, I think we need to respect how those particular groups would like to be addressed.
I don't think the same case can be made for the word "feminist," however, as many types of feminists exist. Feminist doesn't even work as an umbrella category for "equal rights for women" because some feminists aren't really interested in that -- some are interested in equal discrimination against men. As a consequence, the word, in its breadth, can be a bane.
You make a good point about people who use the word in a derogatory fashion. On the other hand, it's possible that feminist extremists have, themselves, brought a negative meaning to the word. I know that when I read the works of some very radical feminists, I shudder.
Even as much as we would like to rescue the word "feminist" from all of its more negative implications, we cannot. I do, however, remain conflicted about the word, and my Twainish creation of the word androgynist is rather facetious. I'd no more go around actually calling myself an androgynist than I'd recommend people eat, well, you know what Twain wrote.
Nevertheless, via hyperbole we sometimes illustrate the finer point that people shouldn't use the word feminist as an "F" word and that they should respond to others' concerns in more constructive and thoughtful ways. Of course, if they can't, and if the must be objectionable, then they can only justifiably expect the same kind of response in return -- I say that because I have a fond regard for true sarcasm used pointedly.
Posted by: tz | Mar 15, 2005 7:33:41 PM
If you have a fond regard for sarcasm, then you can't complain when someone is sarcastic, right? I think that was my point. In other words, that if you use sarcasm yourself, you can't very well be offended when others use it.
Of course that's everyone's personal decision on what behaviour they engage in, or accept in their lives. It's a very personal decision.
As for militant "extremist" feminists... Well, there are some "new young feminists" who embrace being subordinates, and using sexual wiles to gain equal rights - in other words, they embrace the 'traditional' patriarchy, and seek to return to the "balance" of that patriarchy. One might consider that a form of feminism, and yeah, it makes me shudder. But just because I might agree with them on one or 2 points, doesn't mean I have to accept their whole agenda.
I suppose that's what I mean, about words being superficial. And why I'm not afraid of sexist women who discriminate against men... I simply reject their sexist ideas. I don't have to reject feminism as a whole just because everyone who wants equal rights for women doesn't have the same exact vision of method of achieving as me.
I try to be respectful of different views. That isn't always easy of course. But just because I'm respectful, doesn't mean I must accept them or support them myself, of course.
Posted by: Chloe | Mar 16, 2005 7:13:59 AM
I wouldn't call the names feministe was being called sarcasm. Vulgarity, insults, degrading comments, and discrimination are an entirely different issue from sarcasm. I don't see words as superficial. Words are very powerful.
Posted by: tz | Mar 16, 2005 10:49:44 AM
I too am an Androgynist. This is because I believe that everyone should have equal rights and status no matter where they fall on the spectrum of gender. The word Androgynist does not say that I do not want to be feminine or that I want to be masculine; to me it is a universal term to describe a movement of gender equality for all genders. It is not about describing how masculine or feminine an Androgynist is. To be an Androgynist an individual does not have to define or explain anything about there own gender identity. Unlike times in the past when feminists have been concerned with what a feminist should looks like and weather masculine women are male identified or not. An Androgynist can be any gender or gender expression, the thing that makes them an Androgynist is there belief in equality for all. Anti feminists could never say that all Androgynist hate men. Androgynism would not exclude those who do not fit into binary gender like both feminism and patriarchy has in the past.
Posted by: lindsey spilman | Apr 13, 2009 7:50:23 AM
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