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Saskatchewan versus Alberta:
The Long-Blog Version
Belinda, at what seems like the last moment, finally listed her Saskatoon visit on her official itinerary. Maybe she listens to John Gormley's show (or reads this blog!). All I have to say is that "better late than never" rarely works as an effective political strategy (unless you're Ralph, and you have a new idea for a pre-election utilities rebate). Anyway, welcome to Saskatoon, Belinda! You're lucky to be here on my favourite kind of wintery day -- crisp, cold, and brilliantly sunny! When I was a kid, I would have run outside on a day like this and just kicked around in the snow until my cheeks were so red and my hair-ends were so frozen that I had to go back in the house.
Today, I was doing more adult activities. As I so often do, I was listening to John Gormley's news-talk radio program this morning on 650 CKOM. He brought up a very interesting issue for discussion, which went something like, did you move from Alberta to Saskatchewan, and was it worth it? Most callers had grown up in Saskatchewan, moved to Alberta, and then moved back; however, some were born in Alberta and later moved here. I'm part of that second group.
I was born in Alberta, where I was exposed to a steady stream of education about the importance of civil liberties, economic opportunity and entrepreneurship. My adult consciousness started to develop during the Lougheed years, through the big boom periods of growth, when people were moving to Alberta faster than snow melting off Sunshine ski resort in late spring, or so it seemed.
One vivid Alberta memory was the experience of being present, in the room, when Premier Getty announced for the first time that the Conservative Party Closed Session Q & A with the premier was going to be open to the media -- transparency and open process won the day, and the Alberta people have benefited from this ever since. Of course, no political system is or can be completely transparent, but a greater libertarian feeling exists in Alberta than in other places I have lived. Despite entrepreneurial spirit and libertarian leanings, community cooperation and grassroots values remain important in Alberta, but not "groupthink" (See the Wikipedia definition.).
So, when John Gormley announced the topic for discussion on his show, I was itching to call in. The problem was that I had so much to say, that I couldn't possibly have said what I wanted to in the span of a minute or so. Instead, I decided to write this blog entry. I thought a lot about not writing the blog entry, once I had the idea, because Canada is a socially small place and Saskatchewan is even smaller in terms of social cliques. I decided to write the blog entry anyway, probably to my own social detriment. This blog entry is going to be unusually long . . . I guess I have a lot to say on the topic.
When we (my family and I) first considered moving to Saskatchewan, every fibre of my being screamed out "NO!" Growing up in Alberta, I had heard enough Saskatchewan jokes and derision to innoculate me against any desire to move here. I wanted to attend graduate school at the U of S because I liked the look of a program, but Saskatchewan? Come on. However, I also remembered that one of my very best friends at the University of Alberta was a young woman from Estevan, who had nothing but good things to say about her home province. Recognizing the training opportunity that was available to me at the U of S, we packed up and moved with our very young child to Saskatoon. In a nutshell, we stayed here until I had to leave the province to complete an internship (in Calgary), and we returned later to Saskatoon.
Honestly, after moving to Saskatoon the first time, I fell in love with the both city and the province. Many amenities won me over, and we settled into a good family life. I was sad when we moved to Calgary ("Saskatchewan's biggest city," as one John Gormley caller described it, given the high number of people from Saskatchewan living there), because I missed friends we had made and the Saskatchewan lifestyle we had come to appreciate.
Calgary, on the other hand, had comparatively more traffic, pollution and overly rapid population growth, but not as bad as you might see in Chicago or New York City. Calgary had its amenities too -- not the least of which were our permanent jobs, as well as new-found friends, proximity to the mountains, tons of entertainment, a truly wondrous recreational facility that we loved, as well as some family. By the way, most recreational facilities in Calgary are privately operated, which was not a bad thing.
One of my relatives, an MLA, was notably surprised when we decided to move back to Saskatoon. Another relative, a genuine Calgary booster, was mortified and tried to talk us out of coming back. However, a long-term, attractive job opportunity was offered to me in Saskatoon, so we returned to Saskatchewan (don't I have an understanding spouse?). Since then, that job opportunity evaporated before my eyes, much to my own horror and surprise, but I can't really talk about those details in public just yet.
Anyway, listening to the callers on the John Gormley show, I found myself ticking off in my head pros and cons in answer to his question about whether coming back to Saskatchewan was worth it. Here's my analysis (not in any particular order) based on my own, personal experiences:
Top-Ten Pros About Living in Saskatchewan as Compared with Alberta:
1. Clean air (as compared with Calgary); Edmonton has very nice air.
2. A strong tradition of community-based services and agencies.
3. Good children's sporting leagues and training.
4. A reasonable cost of living. Calgary's is worse than Edmonton's.
5. Decent water -- did you ever really taste Calgary's? Edmonton's is better and similar to Saskatoon's.
6. Reduced driving time to and from work, and pretty much everywhere else too. In Calgary, we sometimes had to drive over an hour to little-league softball games, and then another hour back home! Edmonton's not much better.
7. Wonderful summers and great gardening (try growing tomatoes in Calgary, where the nights become really chilly). Edmonton has good gardening too.
8. The cost of housing is better here than in Calgary or Edmonton.
9. Excellent fishing and a lot of lakes within reasonable proximity to the major cities, as compared with Alberta.
10. My clinical practice on Broadway which I have now opened.
Top-Ten Cons About Living in Saskatchewan as Compared with Alberta:
1. Parents here have considerably less power and voice in the school system as compared with our experiences in Alberta, and a lot of the school textbooks seem very old, even out of date.
2. The university is not as well resourced in terms of facilities, the library, the study of languages, and faculty numbers, in my opinion, as some in Alberta, although Saskatchewan does have some strong programs such as in the areas of Music, Veterinary Medicine and the Canadian Light Source synchrotron (I'm sure there are other strong programs, too). In addition, some departments have faculty retention problems, causing program set-backs and requiring repeated recruitment of new faculty.
3. Taxes (gasoline, property, provincial sales tax, liquor, provincial income tax) plus service fees. *shudder*
4. A general sense, as one John Gormley caller said, that "a multitude of opportunity is being wasted," which speaks to a low level of entrepreneurial spirit as compared with other places I have lived. Don't get me wrong -- entrepreneurs do exist in the province, for example, in the company where my husband works, which really is second-to-none in its field and has been responsible for attracting a number of highly qualified workers and their families to this province. However, the province needs much more of this entrepreneurial spirit, as well as some drive on the part of government to make Saskatchewan a more attractive place to do business. Tell me, for example, why Southern Alberta has a McCain's processing plant, and we don't?
5. Lack of available jobs in many fields, coupled with lower pay and employers' propensity to hire part-time, casual staff.
6. Entertainment and shopping problems: No IMAX theater, science centre, or natural/geological museum in Saskatoon! Not enough coffee shops, too many "family style" restaurants, and second-run marketing lines for clothing and household goods. No IKEA.
7. Health care/waiting list/staffing concerns -- this is a *major* worry.
8. The slow realization that, if you see something in the store you really want (especially during high-shopping seasons), you'd better buy it now because someone else will, and the stock probably won't be replenished any time soon.
9. Competition between crown corporations and small business in some key areas such as telecommunications/IT (e.g., television, internet service provision, web-based marketing, *alarm installation and monitoring*), making it difficult for private companies to compete.
10. Finally, and this is a big one, cliques and nepotism, which both have had a major impact on my ability to work and stay in this province. As John Gormley said, Saskatchewan's sub-motto seems to be "fear, loathing, and envy," and, let me tell you, I have to agree.
In Saskatchewan, we would do well as a small population of people to encourage each other in opportunities and successes rather than in blocking each other's way. We could start by acknowledging and recognizing talent already existing in the province and attempting to keep those people here. Nothing speaks better for a province than the ability and willingness of people born there to stay, build their homes and raise their families. We also need to attract new people, which means that we are going to have to respect people of differing political opinions. Face it, not everyone who comes here will be a social democrat, and you will have to tolerate them. They might even have some good ideas.
I have heard a considerable number of people claim that folks in Saskatchewan will go out of their way to help you out if you're stranded or in need of assistance. That's a great community attitude. However, what's especially good about folks in places like Calgary and Edmonton is that people who don't go out of their way to help you usually won't go out of their way to hurt you either. Saskatchewan people might need to think a little more about that. For our family, staying here is now only about jobs and making a good living. If we can manage to do that, we'll remain in Saskatoon, but if that becomes threatened any further, then it's sayonara Saskatchewan.
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My goodness - I'll have to file this Saskatchewan-Alberta comparison - certainly is comprehensive -
Posted by: Ed | Feb 2, 2004 9:55:02 PM
"Tell me, for example, why Southern Alberta has a McCain's processing plant, and we don't"
This is because our government wanted a piece of the pie when McCain's offered to come here. They don't care whether or not that would have brought good paying jobs to Saskatchewan youth and all people. They just care about staying in power and running us down the toilet.
Posted by: Allen Stanicki | Apr 23, 2004 8:16:32 AM
Very interesting....
Posted by: tz | Apr 23, 2004 9:16:02 AM
There is an IMAX theater, in Regina. If you haven't been, you may want to check out the Queen City before you've drunk so much of the Saskatoon Kool-Aid that you're forever prejudiced against the capital.
Posted by: Evil Colonel | May 16, 2004 9:44:23 PM
Heh -- that's funny. I've been to the IMAX in Regina -- it's nice. The last time I was at the science centre, I wasn't as impressed with it, alhtough I did love the Vietamese pig they let wander around : ) I'm a huge IMAX fan and wish we had one here in Saskatoon. I also try to go to the ones in Edmonton and Calgary, but I haven't been to one in a while.
Posted by: tz | May 17, 2004 12:59:32 AM
Sure there's an IMAX in Regina, but an IMAX theatre that specializes in showing 2394873 versions of turtles in the Galapagos isn't particularly interesting in the long run. There seems to be something against actually using it to make some much needed money for the Science Centre and a preference to rely on hundreds of thousands of yearly public subsidies.
Posted by: Jane | May 17, 2004 10:40:49 AM
I'm surprised, but I don't know anything about how the science center works. I would have thought that the IMAX would have brought in quite a lot of money, but, you're right -- a diverse presentation of shows is necessary to keep people coming back. Nothing's worse than going to the IMAX and seeing the same shows presented over and over again.
Posted by: tz | May 17, 2004 12:17:18 PM
Why do Saskatchewanianites always use Calgary as the comparitor factor in their indicative comparisons of Alberta and Saskatchewwoon? There are many more million square miles of Alberta to consider and to enjoy. Not to mention the huge taxation differences - about 4000.00 per year for the average family. In a nut shell, Calgary sucks, always sucked and will probably always will suck.
Posted by: Mark | Mar 13, 2005 12:34:40 PM
That's a very good question, but, yes, I agree that people here tend to talk about Calgary quite a bit. One factor might be that a lot of young people seem to be getting jobs in Calgary.
I don't think I'd say that Calgary sucks, exactly, but there are a lot of illusions about Calgary that people tend to buy into. For example, the weather isn't very good. Chinooks in the winter are warm, but they breed snow-mold and cause sinus headaches. Also, you can't really see the mountains very well from Calgary. In fact, in Saskatoon, an otherwise clear sky with a few clouds on the horizon looks exactly like how the Rockies look from the west side of Calgary ; )
On the other hand, Calgary markets itself very well, there are a lot of job opportunities there, and it's a pretty, vibrant city,IMHO
Posted by: tz | Mar 13, 2005 5:34:44 PM
I like your comparison. It's good to hear from somebody that's lived on both sides of the fence. The problems facing Saskatchewan right now are image problems, as there are more jobs than people to staff them (for an educated person). These jobs pay well, when cost of living is factored in. We need to combat the perception that there are higher paying jobs across the border.
Posted by: Ryan | Apr 4, 2006 12:00:38 AM
I found your analysis very interesting. I've just moved back to Saskatchewan from Alberta. Although I'm not in Saskatoon, I do enjoy the city. I find it much more appealing than Calgary but also see it lacking many of the amenities that you mention.
Posted by: Kevin Wasko | Apr 4, 2006 12:33:36 PM
I'm moving to Calgary to find a better job and more opportunity for music, I have a cd I'm selling and want to continue to make others to sell and need a bigger market to offer it to. I'm originally from Sault Ste. Marie, ON. I hate the City , and hate to move, but need to follow my dreams, I hope to find prosperity in Calgary.
Posted by: Tym Morrison | May 19, 2006 11:03:40 AM
Interesting perspective - having debated these issues with friends since I left Saskatoon - I have to say that the employment issue was a HUGE problem in Saskatoon. After 5 years of trying to make a career for myself I finally threw in the towel and moved! Best decision of my life - leaving SK and heading west. I miss the lack of traffic in SK BUT that is no reason to stay and struggle. The lower taxes, competition for insurance, it all adds up to savings plus a way higher income level...WOW!
Posted by: Bev | Feb 8, 2007 10:35:39 PM
Calgary sucks.
Posted by: sugarfoot | Aug 4, 2007 7:30:18 AM
I am suprised to see such a lack of consideration for the housing vs. income issue. Currently, I am being squeezed out of Calgary, thanks to high rental costs, low vacancy rates and unreasonalble real estate prices. Indeed I will miss the large pay cheque but with out a place to live, what good is money?? That said, I'm now seeking a simpler life in Saskatchewan and look forward to being able to afford my own house, even if my pay cheques ARE smaller, the differences with the over all cost of living will balance proportionatly.
Posted by: Dylan | Sep 4, 2007 1:50:21 PM
Yikes. I have just bought a place outside of Swift Current, and I'm NERVOUS. I really won't miss Calgary, especially the construction, traffic, and police around every corner. I am just worried I have overestimated my abilities to create my own business. I have met only nice people in Saskatchewan, and will be glad to leave the tension of SO MANY PEOPLE in Alberta behind. Move over, folks. Here comes another one, ready or not! ;)
Posted by: Snoringdragon | Oct 1, 2007 2:17:38 AM
Also, I can't afford to be the working poor here in Alberta anymore. I have 4 kids, each needing $250 in school fees or they aren't allowed to participate in sports, fieldtrips or dances. I can't pay the gas bill, and every job i get is for pathetic pay, or it feels pathetic after i fill the gas tank, pay rent and buy food. Rich province, perhaps, but rich people, not so much. $1200 for a three bedroom house, and pay extra for use of your garage? Sheesh. I will give up any 'status' of being in Alberta, and give up 'lower taxes'(HA!) if I can raise my standard of living a little. Can't get much worse, really, so its worth a shot.
Posted by: Snoringdragon | Oct 1, 2007 2:32:42 AM
Calgary and Edmonton are brutal cities. The people in those cities believe that Calgary and Edmonton are so big and badass and they have traffic problems. Well first of all those cities aren't big, they aren't and don't let anyone tell you that. the TO is huge Van-city is huge, NYC is huge, not Calgary and Edmonton. I drove through Calgary a couple of months ago my friend told me "Oh man, don't hit Calgary at rush hour" I said "OK". It turns out i did, there was also construction there. It took me 30 minutes to go end-to-end....word. Try to get across Toronto in 30 minutes at 4 in the morning let alone at rush hour. Don't believe the hype of these "big" cities
Posted by: Raleigh McIntyre | Dec 30, 2007 2:55:31 AM
Tooo much hype for Calgary and Edmonton. They are pussycats
Posted by: Brooklyn Thomas | Dec 30, 2007 2:57:14 AM
So far no one has challenged the writer of the main article on the extent of nepotism in Saskatchewan.. Having lived in Toronto for close to 10 years, nepotism is sadly evident especially when it comes to getting hired. Often times, it's a case of 'who-knows-you' and I find that disturbing to say the least.
Posted by: FatJan | Oct 5, 2008 12:45:10 PM
I agree with the previous commenter about problems of nepotism in Saskatchewan. It's not just a case of who knows you but who LIKES you that gets (or doesn't get) you a job in Saskatchewan. The kings and queens that have been previously crowned, especially in government and academic settings, knight or behead as they see fit. Too bad they're so short-sighted as to limit the expression of actual talent in the province! Unfortunately for the province, talent moves away and stodgy feudal lords continue to get fat on their own long-held turf. I know -- the government will tell you things are peachy, but what else would you expect them to say...stay away because you'll never make it here if you're not my buddy, my church-friend, or my poker-pal's kid?
Posted by: Yes, Exactly | Nov 29, 2008 3:31:27 AM
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